New York, NY, January 2, 2019.
PURELCO INTERVIEW OF SIR RUGGERO M. SANTILLI ON THE NEW CLEAN NUCLEAR ENERGIES PERMITTED BY NEGATIVELY CHARGED PSEUDOPROTONS AND PSEUDONUCLEI
Q. Sir Ruggero M. Santilli (hereinafter referred to as "Dr. Santilli"), please identify in a language accessible to the general audience the biggest problem that has prevented the achievement to date of controlled nuclear fusions despite efforts done for about three quarters of a century and the investment of billions of dollars of public funds.
A. As it is well known, all nuclei are positively charged. Therefore they repel each other according to the Coulomb law with a force inversely proportional to the square of the distance. In order to achieve a nuclear fusion, it is necessary to activate the strongly attractive nuclear forces and this is only possible for mutual distances of the order of 1 Fermi given by 10- 15 cm. Consequently, nuclear fusions must overcome an enormous repulsive Coulomb force illustrated in Figure 1. It should be indicated that low energy nuclear fusions do exist, although it has not been possible to achieve them to date in a controlled industrial form. Similarly, high energy nuclear fusions also exist, although the additional energy created by the nuclear fusions themselves creates such instabilities to prevent their control via the use of 20th century sciences and technologies.
Q. Dr. Santilli, please indicate the principle of the new clean nuclear energies you are developing at the U. S. publicly traded company Thunder Energies Corporation in your capacity as Chief Scientist of the company.
A. The most effective way to achieve new, clean, nuclear energies is by creating new negatively charged strongly interacting particles as well as nuclei, because they would not only eliminate the indicated Coulomb repulsion, but actually turn it into a very big Coulomb attraction. (Illustrated in Figure 2.)
Q. Did you succeed in synthesizing "negatively charged" strongly interacting particles or nuclei?
A. Yes. Following decades of studies, the recently published paper [1] presents experimental evidence by two U. S. spectroscopic laboratories supporting the achievement at Thunder Energies Corporation of "protons with negative charge" that I have called pseudoprotons, while we are now working at synthesizing negatively charged deuterons that I have called pseudodeuterons.
Q. What type of new energies can be produced with pseudoprotons and pseudodeuterons?
A. Under mathematical and physical laws of the generalization of quantum mechanics known as hadronic mechanics (see the 1978 Refs. [2] for the initiation of the new discipline, the 1996 systematic presentatation [3], the recent general review [4], and the independent review [5]), pseudoproton irradiation of a selected number of light, natural, and stable elements produces their transmutation into light, natural, and stable elements with a smaller atomic number, while pseudodeuteron irradiations of other selected natural elements produce nuclear fusions. In both cases, we have the release of thermal energy without the emission of neutrons or other harmful radiations and without the release of radioactive waste (see Section 3 of Ref. [1] for specific nuclear reactions).
Q. Have you actually achieved the production of new clean nuclear energies with the indicated principle?
A. No. Allow me to warn readers against the expectation of quickly achieving new nuclear plants particularly in the absence of large funds that can only be provided by Federal agencies. Our main point is that, following the inability you indicated to achieve new nuclear energies over three quarter of a century and the investment of billions of dollars of public funds, it is time to initiate basically novel research "out of the box," while old research l should evidently be continued.
Q. Have you received any governmental funds for the research?
A. Yes. I initiated the basic research in the field in the late 1970's when I was at Harvard University under financial support by the Department of Energy (see Refs. [2]). In order to develop industrial applications, I continued the research within corporate environments under private financial support. In particular, I am pleased to indicate that Thunder Energies Corporation received funds from the New York based investment firm Power Up and more recently, by the New York based GHS investment firm.
Q. Dr. Santilli, you are apparently referring to research conducted for about half a century. Why did it take so long to achieve the principle of your new nuclear energies so clearly expressed by Figures 1 and 2 ?
A. Serious science has to be "quantitative" in the sense that events must be represented with equations whose validity must be established by experimental verifications and industrial applications. When addressing new physical problems, as it is the case for the studies here reported, new methods have to be worked out and verified. The new nuclear energies here considered are based on the physics dealing with the synthesis of new particles created by the total mutual penetration of their constituent (patent pending). Quantum mechanics cannot even formulate such a problem because it represents all particles as points that, as such, cannot be compressed one inside the other. Therefore, the quantitative formulation of the problem considered required the prior construction of new mathematics and physics achieving an invariant representation of the actual shape and density of particles. Since the late 1970's mathematical and physical methods for the quantitative treatment of the problem considered did not exist, they had to be constructed and that required time, lots of time by numerous scientists.
Q. Dr. Santilli, can you provide a concrete example of the synthesis you consider.
A. Yes. The fundamental synthesis existing in nature is Rutherford's synthesis of the neutron in the core of stars which is given by the "compression" of an electron within the hyperdense proton [6]. It took decades (see the latest experimental paper [7]) to construct new mathematical methods for the consistent formulation of Rutherford's synthesis of the neutron as illustrated in Figure 3 and numerous additional years to verify it, all this prior to the study of the problem considered. The synthesis of the pseudoproton is a consequence of Rutherford's synthesis of the neutron because it is merely given by the secondary compression of the electron, this time, within the hyperdense neutron (see Figure 6). Pseudodeuterons are synthesized via the compression of an electron pair within the deuteron structure (Figures 7 and 8).
Q. Dr. Santilli, please tell us the biggest difficulty you had to overcome in order to achieve the laboratory synthesis of the neutron.
A. The biggest difficulty I had to face has been Newton differential calculus because the differential of a variable r, dr, and the time derivative of that variable, dr/dt ,can only be defined at individual points in space and time, thus solely allowing the representation of particles as being point like. It is evident that a point-like electron cannot be "compressed" inside a point-like proton, thus preventing any quantitative treatment of the neutron synthesis. I initiated the representation of the extended character and density of particles in the late 1970's when I was at the Department of Mathematics of Harvard University. The representation was achieved via the generalization of the conventional product AB of arbitrary quantities A, B into the axiom-preserving, thus isotopic product ATB where the positive-definite 4x4-dimensional quantity T represents the dimensions and density of the particle considered (see monographs [2]). In 1993, while visiting the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research in Dubna, Russia, I was forced , for compatibility with the product ATB, to introduce new numbers n' = nU with an arbitrary positive-definite unit U = 1/T [8], today known as Santilli isonumbers [5]. Despite the generalization of all aspects of applied mathematics in terms of the isoproduct ATB and its formulation over isonumbers n'=nU, the formalism remained physically insufficient because it was unable to provide a representation of the shape and density of particles which is invariant over time. Consequently, out of sheer desperation in seeing decades of works not passing the test of time, I had no choice than that of reinspecting Newton's differential calculus to see whether it is indeed the most general form of calculus as assumed to be for the past four centuries. This re-inspection was necessary due to the evident incompatibility between the representation of extended particles via all products ATB and isonumbers n'=nU, U = 1/T > 0, and the strictly local character of Newton's differential dr and derivative dr/dt that can only be defined at an isolated point r in space and t in time. This critical examination soon revealed that Newton's calculus admits a covering formulation whenever the multiplicative unit U depends on the differentiation variable r. This generalization is characterized by the isodifferential d'r' = Td(rU) = dr + rTdU and the isoderivative d'r'/d't' = Udr'/dt' first introduced in Ref. [9] of 1996 and today called Santilli isodifferential.. This completed the construction of the needed new mathematics, today known as isomathematics (see Section 2 of Ref. [4] for a recent review). The application of the novel isomathematics for a corresponding generalization of quantum mechanics into hadronic mechanics was consequential [3], although the verification of the new mathematical and physical formalism in various fields required several additional years [10].
Q. Dr. Santilli, please outline the equipment you have developed at Thunder Energies Corporation to synthesize neutrons and pseudoprotons from the hydrogen.
A. Thunder Energies Corporation is in production and sale of the novel Directional Neutron Source (DNS) essentially consisting in a remotely monitored and operated reactor synthesizing neutron from a commercially available hydrogen gas with the desired neutron directionality, energy and flux (see Figure 4). The central part of the reactor consists of a special form of high voltage and high energy, rapid DC discharge between electrodes submerged in the hydrogen gas which discharge has been shown to be capable of "compressing" electrons within the hyperdense proton (see the recent experimental paper [7] and large prior literature quoted therein). The recently published paper [1] has established that the same reactor also filled up with hydrogen gas does indeed synthesize pseudoprotons. The synthesis of the pseudodeuteron is expected to be produced by the same reactor when filled up with deuterium gas [1].
Q. Please let us have some example of clean nuclear energies produced by pseudoproton irradiation of light stable and natural elements.
A. Ref. [1] shows that the pseudoproton irradiation of Si-28 yields the stable isotope Al-29 with the release of 8.337 M eV; the same irradiation of C-40 yields the stable isotope K-41 with the release of 8.383 M eV; and the same irradiation of Fe-54 yields the stable isotope Mn-55 with the release of 8.347 M eV. It should be noted that the released energies are about 6.7 times the energy needed for the synthesis of the pseudoprotons, thus offering serious grounds for a positive total energy output. Finally, it should be noted that none of the indicated nuclear transmutation emits neutrons or other harmful radiations and release no radioactive waste.
Q. Is it possible to produce a beam of pseudoprotons suitable for industrial irradiation of natural elements?
A. Yes, this is possible quite easily, via technologies fully established at particle physics laboratories since the pseudoprotons are charged, thus admitting separation via Coulomb polarization, and two thousand times heavier than the electrons, thus admitting centrifugal and other separations. Consequently, the hydrogen plasma released by the rapid DC discharge can be easily separated via available technologies into distinct beams consisting of neutrons, pseudoprotons and electrons all usable for various irradiations.
Q. Dr. Santilli, the particles synthesized at CERN, FERMILAB and other physics laboratories have extremely short mean lives of the order of 10-30 seconds or less. The particles you produce are unstable like those produced at particle physics laboratories. What are the grounds for your statement that the particles you produce have a mean lives sufficiently long for use in industrial applications?>
A. The neutron has a mean life of fifteen "minutes" when isolated and becomes stable when it is a member of the nucleus of a stable natural element. It is easy to prove that pseudoprotons and pseudodeuterons have mean lives at least of the order of seconds, thus being fully adequate for irradiations and other industrial applications. It should be stressed that the appraisal of these mean lives via quantum mechanics would be nonscientific nonsense because we are dealing with conditions outside the capability of quantum mechanics, such as the total compression of electrons within hyperdense protons and neutrons requiring basically new mathematics, physics and chemistry. I have no words to emphasize the dramatic difference between the particles synthesized at physics laboratories, which consists of isolated point-particles in vacuum, and the particles we synthesize, consisting of the "compression" of their constituents one inside the other. This dramatic difference in structure also implies a dramatic difference in the meanlives.
Q. Please outline the synthesis of the pseudodeuteron you expect from the TEC-DNS when filled up with deuterium gas.
A. The answer requires the addressing of at least one of the several beliefs existing in 20th century chemistry [113, in particular, the belief that a DC arc with a few kilovolts and a few microjoules ionizes a hydrogen gas into protons and electrons. Simple calculations show that such a belief violates the principle of conservation of the energy because the indicated weak arc does not have the energy sufficient to really break the rather strong valence bond of the hydrogen molecules, which is known to be 110 kcal/mole. This binding energy is stored in the two valence electrons in singlet coupling known as the Santilli-Shillady isoelectronia [13-15], with no appreciable contribution from the two far away protons. Hence, the ionization of a hydrogen gas generally produces protons and isoelectronia, plus isolated electrons in number dependent from the voltage and energy of the arc. Next our synthesis of the pseudodeuteron requires a knowledge of the first and only known representation of all characteristics of the deuteron in their ground state as a generalized bound state of two protons and one electron in conditions of partial mutual penetration thus acquiring generalized states known as isoproton and isoelectrons [1-12]. Having a double elementary charge, isoelectronia are attracted by deuterons with an extremely strong Coulomb force and having null total angular momenta, they can be "compressed" inside deuteron in a way much easier than Rutherford's compression of one single electron inside the proton.
Q. What is the significance of pseudodeuteron?
A. Pseudodeuterons allow, for the first time in history, a basically novel approach for the industrial reproduction of the synthesis of the helium occurring in the core of stars immediately following that of the deuteron, but it occurs under such extreme pressures and temperatures to prevent its industrial realization on Earth under current sciences and technologies. By contrast, pseudodeuterons are attracted by deuterons with an extremely big Coulomb force evidently replacing the extreme pressures in the core of stars. The fusion of a pseudodeuteron and a deuteron becomes unavoidable at contact due to the activation of the strongly attractive nuclear force. This fusion yields the helium plus a large thermal energy without the emission of neutrons or other harmful radiations and without the release of radioactive waste (see Ref. [1] for technical aspects). At Thunder Energies Corporation we are looking for nuclear physicists who are interested in "research," that is, the pursuit of new knowledge. We are also looking for philanthropists and investors interested in basic contributions to our human society.
Q. Dr. Santilli, what is the reaction of the academic community toward your research?
A. The reaction by my former colleagues at Harvard and MIT is that of total silence since they have not yet acquired the technical knowledge of the new mathematics physics and chemistry necessary for any meaningful comments. However, there is an increasing number of academic physicists who are contributing to the various aspects of the new sciences. All our efforts are aimed at the development of new industrial applications under private funds. Consequently, I am particularly receptive to critical comments expressed in respectful language since criticisms have been established in history as essential for any due scientific process.
Q. Dr. Santilli, what is the difference between the antiprotons produced at CERN and your pseudoprotons?
A. The experimental confirmation of the existence of pseudoproton establishes that the sole use of a negative elementary charge is not sufficient to establish the antimatter character of a particle. This occurrence applies in particular to the particles claimed to be antiprotons also in view of a number of unresolved issues, such as the fact that matter and antimatter annihilate into light, while protons and the particles claimed to be antiprotons do not, as established by the Bose-Einstein correlation and other evidence. Therefore, particle physics laboratories should conduct a series of additional test establishing the antimatter character of their antiprotons as a necessary condition to issue statements that will resist the test of time. These aspects are discussed in detail in the debate Antiprotons or Pseudoprotons?
REFERENCES
[1] R. M. Santilli, "Apparent Experimental Confirmation of
Pseudoprotons and their Application to New Clean Nuclear Energies,"
International Journal of Applied Physics and Mathematics Volume 9,
Number 2, April 2019
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/pseudoproton-verification-2018.pdf
[2] R. M. Santilli, Foundation of Theoretical Mechanics,
Volumes I (1978) and Volume II (1981), Springer Verlag,
Germany,
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/Santilli-209.pdf
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/santilli-69.pdf
[3] R. M. Santilli, Elements of Hadronic Mechanics, Volumes
I and II (
1995), Academy of Sciences, Kiev.
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/Santilli-300.pdf
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/Santilli-301.pdf
[4] R. M. Santilli, ``An introduction to new sciences for a new
era."Invited paper, SIPS 2016, Hainan Island, China, Clifford Analysis,
Clifford Algebras and their Applications . 6, No. 1, pp. 1-119, 2017
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/new-sciences-new-era.pdf
[5] I. Gandzha and J Kadeisvili, New Sciences for a New Era:
Mathematical, Physical and Chemical Discoveries of
Ruggero Maria Santilli, Sankata Printing Press, Nepal (2011).
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/RMS.pdf
[6] H. Rutherford Proc. Roy. Soc. A {\bf 97}, 374 (1920).
[7] Richard Norman, Anil A. Bhalekar, Simone Beghella Bartoli,
Brian Buckley, Jeremy Dunning-Davies, Jan Rak, Ruggero M. Santilli
"Experimental Confirmation of the Synthesis of Neutrons and Neutroids from
a Hydrogen Gas, American Journal of Modern Physics, Vol. 6(4-1), page
85-104 (2017)
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/confirmation-neutron-synthesis-2017.pdf
Two minute minute movie on the operation of the neutron source
http://thunder-energies.com/docs/MagnaPower.mp4 ;
neutron counts per Seconds detected by the Ludlum detector model 375
http://thunder-energies.com/docs/Ludlum-Alarms.mp4
confirmation of such detection by the Berkeley Nucleonics SAM 940
http://thunder-energies.com/docs/Sam-Alarms.mp4
confirmation of neutron detectors by the Polimaster PM170
http://thunder-energies.com/docs/polimaster-reading.p
[8] R. M. Santilli, ``Isonumbers and Genonumbers of Dimensions 1, 2,
4, 8,
their Isoduals and Pseudoduals, and ``Hidden Numbers" of Dimension 3, 5,
6, 7," Algebras, Groups and Geometries Vol. 10, 273 (1993).
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/Santilli-34.pdf
[9] R. M. Santilli, ``Nonlocal-Integral Isotopies of Differential
Calculus,
Mechanics and Geometries," in Isotopies of Contemporary Mathematical
Structures," Rendiconti Circolo Matematico Palermo, Suppl. Vol. 42, 7-82
(1996),
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/Santilli-37.pdf
[10] R. M. Santilli, Hadronic Mathematics, Mechanics and
Chemistry,
Volumes I to V, International Academic Press, (2008).
http://www.i-b-r.org/Hadronic-Mechanics.htm
[11] R. M. Santilli, "Relativistic hadronic mechanics: nonunitary,
axiom-preserving completion of relativistic quantum mechanics," Found.
Phys. Vol. 27, 625-729 (1997)
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/Santilli-15.pdf
[12] R. M. Santilli, The Physics of New Clean Energies and Fuels
According to Hadronic Mechanics, Special volume of the Journal of New
Energy, 318 pages (1998).
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/Santilli-114.pdf
[13] R. M. Santilli, Foundations of Hadronic Chemistry, with
Applications to New Clean Energies and Fuels, Kluwer Academic
Publishers (2001),
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/Santilli-113.pdf\
Russian translation by A. K. Aringazin
http://i-b-r.org/docs/Santilli-Hadronic-Chemistry.pdf
[14] R. M. Santilli and D. D. Shillady, ``A new isochemical model of the
hydrogen molecule," Intern. J. Hydrogen Energy Vol. 24, pages 943-956
(1999)
http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/Santilli-135.pdf
[15] R. M. Santilli and D. D. Shillady, ``A new isochemical model of the water molecule," Intern. J. Hydrogen Energy Vol. 25, 173-183 (2000)\\ http://www.santilli-foundation.org/docs/Santilli-39.pdf